[NS-Heralds] Mullets and Estoiles ... my report :)

[Yori the gecko]

Yori originally wrote:

But what I wanted to note is that mullets and estoiles look alot alike.
On a field of battle, one might mistake one for the other.
But, they are actually different... sort of?
When we are conflict checking do we look at mullets and estoiles as
different?  or similar?
[I'm trying to make this a learning experience for me :) ]

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Aryanhwy responded:

Cool.  In that case, I'll point you to where you can look for the
answer yourself.  Alot of the nit-picky "do thinggummies conflict
with doodads?" questions are answered in the precedents of the
College of Arms, which can be found here:
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/precedents.html

Always start with the most recent ones.  Francois' armory precedents
have a category for estoiles (http://home.earthlink.net/~mranc/sca/
wreath.html#Estoile), and one for mullets (http://home.earthlink.net/
~mranc/sca/wreath.html#MULLET).  If you can't find the answer here,
then go back to the main page, and look in Elsbeth's precedents.

And then when you're done - report back here with your findings and
make it a learning experience for all of us! :)

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Yori now writes:

Wow, I have always heard everyone talking about precidents... but never new 
there was such a cool list!

Ok, Here is the scoop on Mullets and Estoiles for all interested:

A standard period estoile is of six points.
A standard period mullet can be drawn as five or six points.
So, there is a CD between a period mullet and a period estoile.
Now...if we depart from those there could be a conflict.
Because a five point estoile looks much like a "standard" period mullet, 
there is precidents for a conflict.
The quote from the archive is:

Mullets of five (straight) points and estoiles of six (wavy) rays are both 
standard period charges, and the SCA gives a CD between them, but an estoile 
of five (wavy) rays is not a period charge. Per RfS X.4.e, armorial 
difference involving a non-period charge must be determined based on whether 
"its shape in normal depiction is significantly different" from the charge 
with which it is being compared. Because the rays of estoiles are often 
drawn with very shallow waves, it does not seem appropriate to give a CD on 
purely visual grounds between a mullet of five points and an estoile of five 
rays. [Ygraine de Bracy, 09/02, R-Atlantia]

This is all just way too cool!
Check it out...
Because 5 and 6 point mullets were interchangeable in period there is no CD 
between the two.
There IS a CD between a period mullet and an 8 point mullet.
There is NO CD between an 8 point mullet and a compas rose.

Ok, I must physically extract myself from the archive before I just copy the 
whole thing down here.
heh, if you haven't been there... check it out!

Much thanks to Aryanhwy.

Yori

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