[NS-Heralds] Blazoning Help - 2'nd re-Submittal - Furtherclarification/info.

[Byron Skillings]

Hi Adeliz,
   
  Going from memory, original submittal had a conflict with a device vert, on a lozenge argent, a cat (sable ?) passant 
   
  Lozenge ploye did not get a CD.  Hedgehog & other beast not enough different to get a CD...
   
  Thanks,
   
  Albrecht
   
  p.s.: no worries about a quick conflict check...

minnaar <minnaar at gmail.com> wrote:
  I cant do a conflict check from work, but even if there was a conflict
on the device in july, that does not mean that there would be a
conflict without the frets on this one. Again, without checking, I'd
say that you'll probably get 1CD for the complex line on the pile, and
1CD for the urchin/hedgehog vs. anything else (since its not a very
common charge). I'll see what I can look up later.

Adeliz


On Dec 13, 2007 10:20 PM, Byron Skillings wrote:
> The intent is to have the frets only on the pile. The frets do not extend to the field division (frets couped ?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Albrecht
>
> bronwyn at tds.net wrote:
> This creates a contrast problem between the field and the two frets. Or are you intending that the frets lie only on the pile? That would be possible with a fret in base, but not in chief.
> It also make a pretty, simple device more complex, and, IMHO, not as pretty.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Byron Skillings
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:50:08
> To:The Northshield College of Heralds
>
> Subject: Re: [NS-Heralds] Blazoning Help - 2'nd re-Submittal - Further
> clarification/info.
>
>
> Greetings again unto the Northshield College of Heralds,
>
> Thank you for you emails and time taken to answer my questions!
>
> Having further reviewed the client's propsed 2'nd submittal, I find that the proposed blazon sent earlier was incomplete. Here is the complete version. Your comments would be most appreciated.
>
> Vert, on a pile dancetty argent, a hedgehog proper, in chief a fret gules, in base a fret gules.
>
> This blazon does not resolve the problem of lack of contrast between the pile, and face and tummy of the hedgehog... Option being considered by the client:
>
> Vert, on a pile dancetty or, a hedgehog proper, in chief a fret gules, in base a fret gules.
>
> The following option is not preferred by the client...
> Vert, on a pile dancetty or, a hedgehog (...some other color, e.g. sable), in chief a fret gules, in base a fret gules.
>
> One other possible issue, which I'd rather cover through ns-hearalds list than wait to deal with it once submitted for internal commentary:
>
> The pile dancetty is taken from A Dictonary of Heraldry, Joseph Foster, page 91, upper right corner, believe this is: Sir John de Forneus a pile engrele'e...
> (side question, is engrele'e...a term used in SCA heraldry?)
>
> Roughly speaking a pile dancetty, with three areas, two narrow spots. If you look at this particular emblazon, there appears to be room for the hedgehog in the center, and frets above and below...This does not look like a common line of partition, but the client has found an example...
>
> Does this pose a problem?
>
> Thanks you very much for your help!
>
> Albrecht
> Pursuivant, Barony of Caer Anterth Mawr
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