[NS-Heralds] On registering names, and new ruling

[Barbara McCormack]

But a thought, from way back when, when I first joined and was looking for a 
name.  Rhiannon, which is on the mythic list, appears in the Mabinogion, a 
period collection of Welsh tales, as the name of a Queen.  Not a goddess. A 
human queen.  Without comparative myth and background research, on the basis 
of the stories themselves, using a period literature source, the name 
appears okay.

Heledd, who is the attributed author of a long poem in period, is also 
possibly allegorical -- the true author may or may not be named Heledd, may 
or may not be anonymous.  The acedemics are arguing over that one.  How is 
the average person hunting a name to know?  Moreover, how is he or she to be 
expected to know that we consider their research sources inadequate?  Not 
everyone has internet.  Not everyone has access to a decent university 
library.  It becomes complex....

On another note -- over 15 years ago my husband got his AOA -- and at the 
time his name had been registered, but his device was in the works because 
his first version has been returned and he was in the middle of the 
resubmission process.  So he got a scroll with a lovely blank shield to be 
filled in when he had a new version passed.  Well, the new version sailed 
though and has been registered since 1994 or so, and there hangs the scroll, 
framed, on our wall to this day, with a big blank shield shape waiting to be 
filled in because we have no one to do the art on it.  We will probably die 
with a blank spot on that shield; it's certainly beyond my capabilites to 
fill in.  It would have probably been better if they had left the shield 
off....  Hmmmm.......

What to do, what to do........

--Heledd of Mathrafal
--Schattentor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grimmund" <grimmund at gmail.com>
To: "The Northshield College of Heralds" <ns-heralds at mailman.itasca.net>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [NS-Heralds] On registering names, and new ruling


> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Jessica Speer <speerj at up.net> wrote:
>>    For those of us who are not as well educated and/or equipped with
>> sources, what, exactly is wrong with the names Rhonwen Briana MacLean and
>> Ceridwen Rhiannon MacLean?  Would you give some other  good examples with
>> explanations?
>
> Ceridwen and Rhiannon are both (IIRC) mythic Welsh deity names; there
> is no indication they were used by humans in period.  While they are
> relatively common *modern* names, and popular because of their use in
> modern literature, they aren't really applicable to period humans.
>
>
>
> This is the precedents for "SCA Compatible" names, along with the
> reasoning behind the registration decision:
>
> http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Compatible.html
>
>
> This is the St. Gabriel list of problem names, with explanations of
> why they are a problem:
>
> http://medievalscotland.org/problem/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> (and that I beat Ary on the answer...)
>
> Grimmund
>
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