[NS-Heralds] similar question - C & I books

[Bronwyn Noble]

You're right -- you're going to be whipped.

Speedball nibs and all things Speedball put out are anathema to me.  The
nibs are much too soft to get good control, and the book teaches the hard
way of learning hands.  All you need to know is how to figure out the
strokes for the o and the i of any hand, and you've got the whole hand
figured out.  None of that trying to leaving the Speedball book at home and
get a copy of Drogin.  Really, truly.

Come take my beginning calligraphy class on November 1 at the Kingdom
Herald's & Scribe's Symposium.  Or, invite me to  your group -- I'll be
happy to come if you help with the gas.

Bronwyn -- 20 years a scribe, and a Laurel in C&I and scribal research.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:06, Kihe Blackeagle <kihebard at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have very little doubt that I'll probably get smacked for this
> suggestion, but I personally consider a (Current Middle Ages / "modern") C&I
> reference shelf incomplete without a copy of _The Speedball Handbook_.  Yes,
> it's what I originally learned dipped-pen techniques from.  Yes, it
> emphasizes the Speedball modern metal-nib usage and adapted styles.  No, it
> is not necessarily "period" in the presentation of the majority of the
> alphabets included.  BUT! It shows decomposition into strokes, presents a
> large number of alphabets in a compact (i.e. portable) form, and is as
> usable by an old-timer as by a newcomer with relatively little adaptation
> needed.
>
> This applied to earlier editions, anyway -- have not dug deeply into the
> current version[s].
>
> Marc Drogin (sp. approx.) may have better in-depth coverage and be more
> elegantly presented, but if I have to opt for only ONE C&I reference I'll
> drag my old Speedball Handbook (roughly 22nd ed.) along and leave the Drogin
> volumes at home.
>
> Hey, wow, consider this: with the exception of some mimeographed pages from
> high school art classes, and maybe a one-sheet that came out of a boxed set
> of Shaefer cartridge pens, the Speedball book *is* the only C&I book I
> brought with me for my extended sojourn among y'all...  No, I'm not
> particularly well-known or accomplished as a calligrapher or illiminator.
>  But I teach, with a class title of "Calligraphy and Illumination for the
> Absolute Beginner".  Yeah, cheesey.  (But considering the results I have
> seen from my students after maybe an hour of class, effective.)
> Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe
> Mike C. Baker / Kihe Blackeagle Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em SCA: al-Sayyid
> Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra, F.O.B, OSCA "Other": Reverend Kihe
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> http://www.lulu.com/WizardsDen http://www.livejournal.com/users/kihebard/> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:38 -0700> From:
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Bronwyn ferch Gwyn ap Rhys
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